On Tuesday, Ukraine celebrated 30 years since it achieved independence. But while Kiev celebrates its past, after a tumultuous three decades, it is clear there is still no consensus about where the country should go in the future.

The decision of the national Supreme Soviet, or Rada in Ukrainian, to declare itself sovereign on August 24, 1991 was the pivotal turning point in its shared history with Moscow.

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A few months later, the declaration was backed by a referendum with a high turnout and more than 92% of voters supported the measure.

What had started with the Communist coup of October 1917, led by a young, hubristic, and brilliant organizer (Leon Trotsky, himself Ukrainian, that is, not Vladimir Lenin), was dealt a death blow in a farcical coup by old, fearful, and dull Communist apparatchiks.

In the aftermath of the debacle, Yeltsin took the lead among the heads of the three key Slavic Soviet republics – Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus – to finish off what was left of the Union. Kiev’s independence was a result of both rot and collapse at the imperial core in Moscow and national mobilization on the ground.

Ukraine’s Independence Day, thus, features traditional national symbolism. There will be, for instance, a military parade, breathlessly announced as a second Christmas for all defense geeks and a grand live concert featuring Ukraine’s pop music elite will be broadcast to the whole country.

In a similar vein, Rating oddly asserts that there are, in essence, two kinds of Ukrainians: those who are proud of the country and happy about themselves (mostly young) and those who are personally depressed and project their negative emotions onto Ukraine (mostly old.

That’s a crude, methodologically unsound sleight of hand, which we could rephrase as if you’re content with Ukraine, Ukraine deserves it; but if you are not content with Ukraine, then it’s really your own misery that is to blame.

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The poll results are also unhelpful when it comes to the economic self-assessment of Ukrainians: the scale system adopted won’t reveal an important fact that we know from data regularly collected by the state statistics office, namely that a majority of Ukrainians now see themselves as poor and only a minority as even middle class.

Yet, to be fair, few things come without an agenda, and a transparent one has the advantage of a certain honesty.

There can be no doubt that this is an important project that has produced much valuable data which will keep commentators and researchers busy for a while yet.

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Ukrainians do not regret independence. In fact, there is a preponderant majority in its favor, now as in 1991. Moreover, the younger, the fewer the doubts about it.

Among those between 16 and 30 years of age, as many as 88% would vote for independence now. Among those over 61, there still is a clear majority, but a slightly smaller one of 70% – far fewer than voted for it in 1991.

The well-known regional distinctions still exist, with Ukraine’s west much more pro-independence than parts of the east and southeast.

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Independence, however, commands an absolute majority everywhere; any differences are only a matter of the size of that majority. The poll did not include, it should be noted, Crimea or the separatist areas in eastern Ukraine.

Interestingly, regional differences do not follow a simple east-west pattern. The west of Ukraine is much more intolerant toward non-believers than the civil-war-wracked Donbass region in the east.

Concerning LGBT, however, both the west and east are highly intolerant, while the middle of the country and the capital Kiev are more laissez faire. A similar pattern prevails, if less pronounced, with regard to those who don’t want children.

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Education does what you’d expect it to do: on the whole, the more educated, the more tolerant. Yet even among respondents with higher education, roughly a third still state a negative attitude toward both LGBT and the intentionally childless.

Another striking result with regard to values that has already triggered much comment is that 51% of respondents are in favor of re-introducing the death penalty. And again, both west and east are in favor, while Kiev is less so.

Here, however, the region of Galicia, the part of the west that used to belong to the Austrian Empire until World War I, is aligned with the capital in its high levels of opposition. Age matters too: the younger you are, the less likely you want to put criminals to death.

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Re-introducing the death penalty would contradict the desire of many, though by no means all, Ukrainians to fully join the European Union.

The Rating poll provides insight here as well – asked what foreign policy orientation they consider best, half of the respondents answer “toward Europe,” which will please those in the West thinking the same. And yet they should be careful.

Another 35% want equidistance between “Europe” and “Russia.” Add the 9% who openly state they prefer Russia, and you have 44% of Ukrainians who clearly declare an orientation that is incompatible with prioritizing “Europe,” or rather, the EU.

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The upshot is that, even if the future may look different again, there is no absolute majority for making “Europe” the key target of Ukraine’s ambitions.

And while there is a very slim relative majority, almost the same number of Ukrainians are explicitly against such a policy. Nota bene: not just sitting on the fence. And that, after several years of conflict with Russia and massive support by the EU.

Keep that in mind, please, next time an “Atlanticist” think tanker in Washington or Berlin tries to sell you the idea that most Ukrainians want to go West.

RT. com / ABC Flash Point News 2021.

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RedDragon
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25-08-21 11:13

Ukraine is geographically “sandwiched” between two powers blocks of influence.

If there is a statesman in Ukraine that can and will think out of the box, Ukraine should make itself USEFUL to both power blocks, and NOT TO BE USE by either block.

Ukraine should also not enter into an alliance with anyone, but engage in partnership instead. Be like Switzerland which doesn’t have alliances with anyone.

Terry Ross
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Terry Ross
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25-08-21 11:13

Europe has little use for Ukraine except as a strategic opposition to Russia. Ukraine simply supplies Europe with a source of cheap labor for distasteful or menial work roles.